This is increasingly hard to imagine, but Brooklyn wasn't always cool. Once upon a time, the other name for Kings County brought up visions of overweight white men in tank tops, women with very big hair and very tight clothes, and people who actually said "neighbuhud" and "fuggedaboutit." Or, conversely, visions of howling wildernesses of burnt out buildings and blighted lives, someplace going the way of the Bronx. In fact, you'd hear people say, "TheBronxandBrooklyn," as one combined place. Hell, other than in bad World War 2 movies or good Mafia ones, you could probably have lumped Brooklyn in with Cleveland in the popular American imagination. It was a great place to be from. It wasn't really where anyone would want to go to, unless from happened to be someplace like Fujian or Tajikistan.
But that's not Brooklyn anymore. Nope, now Brooklyn is cool. And all those cool people in Brooklyn want you to know about how cool and special and hip Brooklyn is.
Which is why I have grown to appreciate Queens. Queens is not cool. The producers of Entourage picked Queens for their guys' home town because Queens is not cool. And while rents have risen, thus far, thank God, Queens shows no sign of becoming cool.
So when two cars crash into eachother on Hillside Avenue, and the driver at fault gets out gesticulating wildly at the much calmer person he hit, and skateboarding local kids start cracking wise about the show, it's just another car accident and not a deep metaphor for the inassailable uniqueness of place or whatever.
Which is ironic, because nowadays Queens is hella more exotic than most of Brooklyn. Just not in a cool, hip, attitudinal way.
And it's still a good place to be from.
(Hat tip: Marcia.)
Noel. Dude.
Persian food on Main Street and 64th Ave.
I took you and Ivan to the Flagship.
Also, remember Woodside - best Thai ever (cash only).
Posted by: The New York City Math Teacher | May 15, 2008 at 06:13 AM
Right! Exactly!
Am I saying what I think I'm saying? What do you think I'm saying?
Props to Queens: Brooklyn like it used to be. And still is, in some parts, just not as many as before.
Posted by: Noel Maurer | May 15, 2008 at 10:13 AM
Cool, I'm famous!
At one point in college I very much wanted to visit Brooklyn. It seemed wildly glamorous and exotic to someone who had grown up in increasingly-cookie-cutter Northern California suburbs.
Posted by: Marcia | May 15, 2008 at 07:58 PM
Following the links: Complaining about Park Slope stroller mayhem is actually retro. I've been hearing about it for years. Personally, I love the abundance of little kids in the neighborhood. It makes every season spring.
On the other hand, Knipfel is legally blind, so he might not be kindly disposed to moms tooling their suburban assault perambulators as if the sidewalks of Seventh Avenue were time trials at Talladega. (Knipfel is also from Wisconsin. With a name like Knipfel? of course he is.)
Since my preference for Brooklyn is well-known, and predates the current generation of hipsters, I feel the really important question isn't the Brooklyn versus Queens debate -- which will extend into the 2020s now that Long Island City, Astoria, and Jackson Heights are being colonized by the next wave of proto-yuppies -- but why is the dude's blog called "Girl in a Cage" when it has a real absence of, you know, girls in cages. I'm disappointed.
Posted by: Carlos | May 17, 2008 at 03:02 AM
Because the key protagonist in his novel "Donorboy" identifies with the statue of the girl in a cage in a Boston-area graveyard.
http://www.brendanhalpin.com/girlinacage/what-the-hell-is-girl-in-.html
I admit I'm not familiar with *his* familiarity with anything New York. But many of his novels are set in the parts of Massachusetts where I spent my first few years, and he was an English teacher, and I learned quite a bit about how to deal with my own high school clientele from his book "Losing My Faculties."
Posted by: Marcia | May 17, 2008 at 07:36 AM
Mm. There should be a symbol for "tongue in cheek", which I should have used, having read the explanation for the name before I posted.
I think Noel overstates how the different boroughs appeared in the American cultural imagination. Queens was Archie Bunker and Fran Drescher land, bigoted and annoying. Brooklyn was the home of the Sweathogs and the Beastie Boys and the Warriors and Tony Manero. The Bronx, that was a burnt-out Fort Apache (which even its worst days, was never the whole of the Bronx). But Cleveland, um. The river started on fire, and it claimed to be the home of rock and roll.
Anyhow. Hipster/yuppie immigration to the New York area has classic elements of chain migration. It's not all about rents. There was an attempt to hipsterize Hoboken in the late 1990s, which didn't work. Same thing with Astoria. Park Slope got the young professional writers -- who are, alas, not exactly hip -- and I think I can trace that chain migration to individual personal networks of Park Slope kids who went to distant universities in the 1980s, the neighborhood never having experienced complete suburban flight.
Posted by: Carlos | May 17, 2008 at 08:50 PM
I think you meant to write "understates," Carlos. I suggested that in the national imagination, Queens had no image, except perhaps as Generic White Ethnic Suburb (e.g., Archiebunkerland), while Thebronxandbrooklyn shared two contradictory images: Tony Manero v. Carlito Brigante. Or, if you'd prefer, Lords of Flatbush v. Fort Apache. "Still like the good old days" versus inner city disaster, white flight, burning rivers, and all that standard stuff.
But thinking about it, though, you're certainly right.
Hipsterization is strongest in Williamsburg, of course, flowing out now over Greenpoint and Bushwick. It might not have been the rents, but I do remember at least one, "You do realize that you're gonna get mugged at some point if you move there" conversation in the early 1990s.
Posted by: Noel Maurer | May 19, 2008 at 06:14 PM